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New rights for unmarried couples

by KarenF @ 2006-05-31 - 15:38:19

From the Guardian

New legal rights for unwed couples
Press Association
Wednesday May 31, 2006 2:13 PM

Unmarried couples could be ordered to sell their home, pay lump sums and share pensions in the event of a break-up, the Government's law reform advisers said.

The Law Commission said the two million Britons who "live in sin" should be able to make financial claims against each other in some circumstances.

A partner should generally be able to make a claim if they made "economic sacrifices" during the relationship such as giving up a career to raise children, and the benefits were unfairly shared at a split.

The Commission said the new set-up would apply to heterosexual and gay couples who had been together for a minimum period, but it did not set out what the minimum should be.

It also recommended allowing couples to opt out of being liable to the new rules providing they signed a written agreement.

The measures would be "more limited in scope" than divorce laws, but the courts would be able to order sale of property, lump sums, monthly payments, pension sharing and interim payments.

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"We think that a new scheme should only provide eligible applicants with a remedy on separation if they can show that the effects of the contributions and associated economic sacrifices they made during the relationship would otherwise be unfairly shared on separation," said the report.

"In many cases, neither party would be able to establish this and no claim would therefore be tenable."

The Commission headed by High Court judge Sir Roger Toulson insisted the measures would not damage the institution of marriage by encouraging couples to live together rather than take vows. They could actually encourage more people to wed because partners would no longer avoid financial responsibilities to lovers by living together instead of getting hitched, it suggested.

There's been a huge uproar about this from the likes of Melanie Phillips, and I have to say I have some sympathy with her views. (Did I really write that? Bloody hell, it looks like I really did. I'll be writing letters to the Daily Mail soon at this rate. Real ones instead of fake rants to see if they publish them). After all, it's pretty damn easy for cohabiting couples to get the same rights as married ones - get married.

But I also have sympathy with partners who split after ages cohabiting and come away with nothing. If there are children involved and one partner has given up their job to bring them up, then they should surely have a right to something?

It also formalises something that mostly would never be a formal arrangement, more something you fall into. I've lived with four blokes. In the first three cases I was young, and had no intention of settling down for life. As I was always the one with the money and the job, there's no way I'd risk letting some bloke get his hands on my dosh just because I'd spent time shacked up with him. I can imagine there's loads of people who will feel the same way. So I think an unexpected consequence of this legislation might be less cohabiting rather than more. That sounds a bit unromantic to me.


 
 

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PurpleDragonPurpleDragon [Member]
2006-05-31 @ 21:35

You might not get this, because either my link, blog.co.uk or my PC are on a go-slow and I am about to chuck the whole flippin lot out the window.

ANYWAY - my comment.

I always thought that if you lived with someone for more than 3 months you had rights under common law - as in 'common law wife'. Is this now defunct?

dennypoosdennypoos [Member]
2006-06-01 @ 10:37

No such thing in English law. Apparently the common law wife thing existed up till about 1780 or so before it was abolished.
Don't ask why as I'm as perplexed as the next guy about the whole issue.

PurpleDragonPurpleDragon [Member]
2006-06-01 @ 12:16

Okay, I won't ask you why, but I have to heave a sigh of relief that I was never put in the position to test the theory. I lived with a couple of folk, in what I believed to be a common law situation. Married one, and the arse still shafted me :))

KarenFKarenF [Member]
http://www.lordbothwell.co.uk
2006-06-01 @ 10:37

Oooh, this is one of those commonly believed myths, and it is really dangerous for women especially, just because they are usually the ones who give up their jobs to look after children. If you divorce, this is taken into account (your loss of earnings, career etc). If you cohabit, up until now it hasn't been. The kids get maintenance, but their carer doesn't get any compensation for what they have given up.

Many women also move into houses owned by their partner, and contribute to the household expenses, then find they are entitled to nothing following a split (after ten, twenty, however many years).

So this is where I have agreement with the new legislation. On the other hand, one of my exes gave up his job to start his own business, and I financially supported us both. I'd hate to still be paying him!

Scotland used to have a recognition of common law marriage if you did some kind of handfasting/betrothal ceremony IIRC (this is historical, so I doubt it applies today).

PurpleDragonPurpleDragon [Member]
2006-06-01 @ 12:20

Scary, eh?

I have just sat and typed a whole spiel and deleted it. I have opinions on this, but they contradict each other, there are loads of 'what ifs' and 'just in cases' which cancel out the 'what ifs'. This is the sort of conversation you have to have face to face, you know? Nuance!

cwar [Visitor]

2008-03-11 @ 17:00

It annoys me whem people say JUST GET MARRIED THEN???
What if you want to get married but you have a patner the one with the properties that wont? SO how do you propose I marry then??

KarenFKarenF [Member]
http://www.lordbothwell.co.uk
2008-03-12 @ 11:51

Sorry to sound harsh, but if you are in the position of wanting the same rights as a married person, but your partner won't marry you, then you have to face the fact that they don't feel the same way as you. If I were you I'd bugger off and marry someone who loved me enough to want to sign a piece of paper saying you were together for better or for worse, and you were entitled to half what he has (otherwise known as a marriage certificate). Otherwise, I suspect that if this legislation becomes law, your partner will be ditching you pronto anyway :-O

I'm not saying your partner is a bad person, since I've been the same boat as them many times (see above), but have presumed the other person felt the same, otherwise they'd have talked about marriage etc. But I'm thinking of a friend of mine who was with a bloke for years. She wanted to get married, he kept saying he didn't want to. When they split and he married someone else shortly after, she said she'd thought he didn't want to get married, full stop. Now she realised he just didn't want to get married to her.

jacqui [Visitor]
http://HOTTYXOX@hotmail.com
2008-03-13 @ 02:33

I'm going through this at the moment.

Been with my bloke 8 years paid towards the mortgage for 7 and he is refusing to give me a penny.
I will have to pay a fortune for a solicitor to sort it out and go to court. It could take more than 1 year to sort. He has stopped paying the mortgage so i must pay it or be reposessed.
If the laws were clearer then it would be sorted by now its already been 8 months and still no agreement from him.
He was married twice before so wasn't keen at all and i just went happily along with it.
be warned GET A PROPERTY CONTRACT drawn up before you pay a penny towards the mortgage.
J xx

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